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on: August 11, 2012, 03:28
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I'm getting back to the jazz after a long time off from studying it, and sort of re-learning things that I have already been exposed to. Things seem to be clicking for me much better than ever. There's a number of reasons for that. One of them is that I'm taking what I call the 'vertical' approach to learning.

When I first learned to apply the super-locrian scale over an altered dominant chord, I tried to learn the scale up and down the neck in all twelve keys before making music with it. That's an extreme example of the 'horizontal' approach. I wound up burning out.

This time around I've been learning it very vertically. I'm working in one key, A, and really concentrating on making music; finding little phrases and intervallic leaps that sound cool. This is in line with the way that Pat Kelley teaches it in his video. There is some 'horizontalness' going on, but it's happening very organically. I find those licks rearing themselves over alt chords in other keys, and I find myself naturally extending out over the reach of the fretboard, beyond the one shape that I've learned

Interested in hearing other's thoughts and experiences with 'horizontal' and 'vertical' learning. Clearly we need both, but if I had to err on one side or the other I'd go vertical...

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on: August 11, 2012, 21:20
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I work on this concept both ways, and in combinations. It never ends. One of the things I've been doing lately is, for example, take F# Superlocrian, and play spreads of notes across specific strings sets. E.g., Focus on string sets 5-4-2, and move 3 note shapes diatonically within the Superlocrian Harmony. I picked F# superlocrian because it only has 2 accidentals: F# & Bb. Try picking the shapes with Down-Down-Up picking, and go all across the neck. To visualize the scales all across the neck, I've also found it useful to pick an A minor based classical melody, and create a special key signature (with F# and Bb), and play the study as though it's written in G melodic minor. This is just an exercise, of course.

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on: August 12, 2012, 15:46
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Cool stuff Scot. I think you're approach and concepts are more advanced than mine. I'm still trying to get a bonafide 'jazz' sound to come out my head, heart and fingers... Here's a little exercise, ii Vdom7 I VIdom7 in C that I put together to practice the melodic minor locrian mode over dominant harmony

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=615146&songID=11824083

I'm playing slow and deliberate, looking for the 'money notes' if you will. It still feels forced to me, but I'm actually pleased because for the first time I feel like I'm not just running scales. I'm starting to hear the notes and how they react with the chords.

I'd love to hear some of your stuff, or the stuff from anyone on this forum.

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on: August 13, 2012, 05:19
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I believe that trying to force yourself to practice anything as if you were in a drill in the army is a great way to kill musicality. I'm not saying that I never just play a scale up and down, but that would just be a warm up, most of what I do is explore different note patterns that I hear and like, and then run those patterns through the scale to see what that gives me, very much like that Mike Miller talks about in his videos here - if you haven't at least watched the trailers for those, you should, it's very eye opening to see how he practices so he can do what he does, he's a really brilliant musician.

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on: August 14, 2012, 04:03
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thanks for chiming in Doug; couldn't agree more.

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on: August 14, 2012, 04:05
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Oh, and I do plan to get one of the Miller vids, but first I want to get your 'All the Fourths You Are' lesson. The teaser video sounds killer

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